Originally by: Athena Momaki

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Ice shouldnÆt be taken out of hi-sec.

All hi-sec Pos's would suffer from this move. Your basic research corps would close down. The high sec station ME, PE, and copy or already back logged as it is it will just add a long strain to them. Anyone who isnÆt a fool will never take BPOÆs too low or null sec.

Ice products would skyrocket in price. The only groups that would benefit from this would be the ones that had ice belts pop up in their systems. Meanwhile the other alliances that were not lucky to receive a belt would be at the mercy of every alliance in the game. You would make it so that systems with belts would be the first attacked in Alliance wars. In turn making it the way to win a fight (completely starve out all POSÆs and capital ships). This would kill the ôEmergent Terrainö goal.

Jumping ships require ice products. When first buying a ship to jump out, it is cheaper to mine the ice that you get in hi-sec then it would be to buy the ice that has skyrocketed.

Any one who doesn't agree with the prices skyrocketing look at what happed to the price of POS fuel after the NPC's stoped selling it.

I agree with "Osidian hawk" donÆt kill the belt. Just make the pay out more for the Low, and Null sec

"Obsidian Hawk:
Highsec - base line - 300 isotopes per unit
low sec - 25% better - 375 isotopes per unit
0.0 - 50% better - 450 isotopes per unit."

Maybe even less for High sec say 150 per unit. This makes Corp mining in high sec a big issue, or they will need to buy from somewhere. but the prices will not go thorough the roof.

WHÆs:
From someone that used to live in WH space at one time.
ABC ores are needed to help replace the ships lost due to ganking or sleepers. It takes a long times to get a system that will lead to a ôsafeö out. The ship you try to bring back in also may close that WH. If anything is needed in WH space, it is an ice belt to pop up from time to time. One random belt traveling from system to system in a constellation will help people in WH space be more self-sufficient. It does not have to be much ice but could be enough to help a group with two or maybe even three POSÆs last a week or two longer without needing a lot of fuel to be shipped in. To keep someone from mining it for a week you can give it a 24 hour window as well. The more Pos's someone has running more more frequent the belt shows up.

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Originally by: catinboots

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Edited by: catinboots on 17/08/2011 11:25:42
Edited by: catinboots on 17/08/2011 11:23:04

Originally by: Marv Caldarion

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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

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WHAT you need to do is buff 0.0 ice, Example
Blue ice yields 300 isotopes
Thick blue ice yields 350 isotopes.

If 0.0 is higher risk, there isn't a higher reward out there for ice. 0.0 Ice should yield at least a 50% better payout especially with the poor refineries out there.
Ex.
Thick blue ice should yield 450 isotopes for 0.0 mining rather than 350.

Better yet here is an idea for ice.

Highsec - base line - 300 isotopes per unit
low sec - 25% better - 375 isotopes per unit
0.0 - 50% better - 450 isotopes per unit.

This makes a better benefit for 0.0 miners and low sec miners, and leaves high sec unchanged so people wont complain**.

** Note on complaining. People will still complain anyway.

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That's the best idea in this whole thread!! This idea is really great and i hope, that CCP will put this into game.

MARV

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Great thinking, nowcombine this with a small buff to null sec manufacturing ,and research slots to make them as good as high and low sec slots and you got a good start in boosting nullsec industry
Ccp might even consider introducing superveld for nullsec or a t2 ore compression system to make it complete
Keeps everybody happy
Maybe also introduce t3 industrial subsystems (5% yield per lvl and 5% time for icemining per lvl, 3 highslots1 auxillery high slot 10 % cargospace per lvl) that fits on the current t3 ships and that replaces the offensive subsystem so the mining ship can tank those nullsec rats, true a hulk can do it aswell but you sacrificing so much yield it is not fun anymore especially if you are your own

Nullsec delenda est

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